Best bleeder valve setup for ext. wastegate?

[Syclone#1992]

Just what is says.

Any experience with:
http://www.boostvalve.com/
http://www.dawesdevices.com/boost.html


Is control pretty solid {spikes and creep}? Do you recommend an electronic instead like Blitz HKS, ect?

BTW: I have a TIAL 35MM gate.

Any advice is welcome,

 

[vortecfiero]

I have mine right before the waste gate.
this way when it opens, it only has to pressurize about 1 inch of boost signal line (vacc hose) and the waste gate

on my buddies car its set at 10 lbs and it's solid to 10lbs

 

[smeagol]

I'd use a regulator with dual port setup on an external.

 

[sytyfreak]

Hey Tim,

I heard that boostvalve was giving problems to some members. Maybe you should check out this post I made a few weeks ago:

http://www.syty.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=21429&highlight=

You can see the turbo xs which is a great peice IMO and also Ian talks about a custom made one with a bleeder from home depot which seems to work good too.

HTH

 

[Syclone#1992]

I'd use a regulator with dual port setup on an external.

Brian, I read up on the boost control TECH on your site. Do you have a link to a similar product to what you are talking about above?

Sytyfreak,
So which do you recommend?

 

[Will_in_China]

Who has a decent in-cab?

 

[Syclone#1992]

Who has a decent in-cab?

From my little research so far, the farther away the valve, the more unaccurate the valve becomes. From what I have read, the close to the turbo/gate the better.

Here is the only "in cab" I have found.
http://www.turbosmart.com.au/PDF/FG-GBCV-IC.PDF
Looks nice but I would be kinda worried about control and performance from what I have read. Does it really make a big difference though?

 

[smeagol]

I'd use a regulator with dual port setup on an external.

Brian, I read up on the boost control TECH on your site. Do you have a link to a similar product to what you are talking about above?

Here is a dual port control setup

Here is a regulator from Sears for $22.99

Buicks have used this setup for years, in many very fast cars.

 

[Syclone#1992]

Thanks for the reply BG, I think I am going to go with the valve from http://www.boostvalve.com/ and hook it up the way you suggested.


Thanks,

 

[MikeRenz]

turbonetics makes an incab control for there gates too...heres mine:

It has a red-locking ring that locks the knob in place one you find the bleed level you want. kinda cool.

 

[Ian Turgeon]

1: I wouldnt run any controller into the cab if it requires you to route vac lines into the dash, then back to the gate.

2: boostvalve.com's valve DID NOT WORK correctly in the dual port setup shown above (with innovative gate, i swapped to the regulator *no other changes*, now have SOLID boost)

3: buy the regulator, keep the lines short.

 

[Ian Turgeon]

Heres an image of what we used, has a locking ring as well.

Note that any bleeder setup will require adjustment from cold/hot weather changes

http://sytyarchives.com/gallery/sy0237/aap

 

[Syclone#1992]

2: boostvalve.com's valve DID NOT WORK correctly in the dual port setup shown above (with innovative gate, i swapped to the regulator *no other changes*, now have SOLID boost)

Boostvalve.com won't work with a single TIAL gate?

3: buy the regulator, keep the lines short.

You mean the regulator in the picture right? Will the one from boostvalve.com work?

 

[smeagol]

I don't understand why you want to use a bleeder valve on an external, when the regulator setup has been proven 65 billion times over with externals. They are cheaper, they are easier to adjust, and they are what are used in air tools to do the exact job you are looking to do.

Get a good spring for your application in an external (i recommend 15psi spring), run a regulator in dual port configuration, as I have posted, and you will be fine.

 

[Ian Turgeon]

looked, and the 35 appears to be a dual port gate, which is the same situation we just went over above.

get a regulator instead of a spring loaded check valve(boostvavle.com).

in my experience, boost was inconsistant and built slowly after overcoming spring pressure

 

[Syclone#1992]

Thanks for all the help, I will order the regulator since it has been proven to work.

 

[Maverick87]

Will the regulator work with the atr gate if you put in a weaker spring?

 

[jwaller]

the regulator will work with anything.....

also be aware that the turboxs regulator valve is the same idea but much better execution....summitt now has them...

I;ve seen them work and they are a very nice piece.. it has a fine and a course adjustment....


http://www.summittracing.com search for turboxs and you will find several of their valves

OR

http://www.turboxs.com/

 

[GEN3Typhoon]

I use the one from Turbonetics... it has worked perfectly for boost control on the Deltagate that I had.. and I will continue to use it with the new HKS GT Gate that I bought.

I am with Brian on this one.. the regulator method is the way to go.

 

[Will_in_China]

So basically, as of yet, there are no in-cabs that don't have vac lines running in as well...

No-one knows of an in-cab with a remote flexible cable or something?
Do those people just go electronic?

I just want my manual controls in the cab...
Is it worth R&D'ing something for the club?
I would consider, but only if there is a perceived need.
Does everybody have rock solid boost on the regulators even with baro/temp/weather changes?
Maybe Denver is just WAY too random on the weather changes...

Maybe a universal in-cab actuator arm that could be used with any regulator?

Necessity?
Laziness on my part?

-Will