GM, you better do this. Listen to the people.

SYO237

SyTy Registry
Oh yes. OH YES. if this thing comes out...... oh man if this thing comes out...



Cut from Motor Trend:




Not since the legendary Buick Regal GNX, GMC Cyclone, or even the GMC Typhoon has a similarly quick, turbocharged American product existed. Unfortunately, Chevrolet's TrailBlazer Twin-Turbo exists only as a concept vehicle, and we can't give you an on-sale date. Yet. What we can offer is a behind-the-wheel view with a fully instrumented track test of this 400-hp engineering study. And we can report that this agile TrailBlazer and its twin-blown Vortec 4200 engine are being evaluated for production.
GM is a very different place nowadays from what it was even a year ago. Top management has been shaken up, and there are many new faces on deck, aiming to revitalize this sleepy giant. One such is Ron Kociba, GM Powertrain's chief engineer on the 4.2L inline-six. At Mid-Size Truck, there's another batch of engineers and techs that have the same goals under vehicle- line executive Tom Wallace.

Ask Fritz Indra, Powertrain's executive director of advanced engineering, why 400 horses are being extracted from a truck engine that makes 270 in production form, and he makes it sound like a logical extension of everyday engine-development work. "We just think 400 is a nice, reasonable number," he deadpans with his Austrian physics professor's accent. "And we were going after significantly more performance without changing the engine to a V-8."

"Of course, if we needed more, there's more to be had," adds a smiling, but equally dry Kociba. "The point was to demonstrate the bullet-proof nature of this engine with fairly minor modifications."

We were surprised to learn how little is changed to create this Bullitt Mustang-performance-equaling six, with its twin Aerodyne turbos and air-to-water intercooler. For example, the block, crank, head, head gasket, cams, and valve sizes remain virtually untouched. The extra breathing hardware adds but 45 lb to the engine's mass. The only critical mods were a switch to 8.5:1 pistons (from 10.1:1), the addition of piston-cooling oil squirters, shorter (by 2 mm) connecting rods, thicker piston pins, higher-flow oil pump and fuel injectors, and a freer-flowing exhaust system. As you'd expect, the 4L60-E four-speed transmission's internals required some beefing, and the transfer case was swapped for the ultra-tough all-wheel-drive unit found in the 6.0L V-8-powered Cadillac Escalade.

Home office for the 4.2L/270-hp Vortec six is the GMT360 platform (Chevrolet TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy, Olds Bravada). So it was logical to install this experimental version in one of those platform variants. The Chevy was chosen primarily because of its mechanical relationship with the hot Chevrolet (GMT368) SSR retro pickup and the long-wheelbase Chevrolet TrailBlazer XL (GMT370) with the third-row seat, both of which will debut soon. Besides, Chevy is the most performance oriented of these three brands.

Higher-performance chassis, steering, and brake bits that will be found on the SSR also plug and play in the TrailBlazer, since they share a considerable amount of platform commonality. Mike LeDuc, one of GM's ride and handling development engineers, calls it his "library of parts." So bigger TrailBlazer XL brakes, stiffer springs, revalved shocks, a beefier rear axle, harder track bar and link bushings, and the faster XL steering rack were borrowed from LeDuc's go-fast lending library.
Outside, the TrailBlazer (which has been lowered 40 mm) is little modified; keep in mind that this is largely an engineering, not design, project. The roof rack's gone, and functional louvers were punched into the hood. Deep front bucket seats were installed. A boost gauge was popped into the hole left by the 4WD switch. Street-performance-biased 295/45ZR18 BFGoodrich Comp T/As are wrapped around 18x9.5-in. Speedline wheels. The look is buff, but quietly mature; no stripes or wings required. Enough parts talk-how's it work?

Running approximately 8.5 lb of boost, the twin-turbo 4.2 has given up none of its normal smoothness and quiet. Except for that unexpectedly quick climb made by the speedo needle, some turbo whoosh, and a bit of rear squat at launch, things inside during acceleration runs remain quite unremarkable. With the all-wheel-drive system to maximize grip, there's virtually none of the tire slip, yaw, or torque steer of typical high-performance machines. This development vehicle's benign overall behavior strongly reminds us of the old turbo V-6 GMC Typhoon/Cyclone. Indeed, a post-run look at our laptop revealed a steep acceleration curve and consistent mid-5-sec runs to 60 mph, with a best run of 5.35. That's compared to 8.2 for the standard TrailBlazer. Somewhat disappointing, but probably wise, is a software bug intentionally left in the engine's computer that limits top speed to 110 mph. Otherwise, no letdowns.

The handling/braking upgrades are nicely matched to the newfound power. For example, the beefier brakes and more aggressive rolling stock shortened the production TrailBlazer's 132-ft 60-0 stopping distance by 12 ft. These improvements also conspire to add an impressive 5 mph to the TrailBlazer's pass through the high-speed slalom and helped generate 0.86 g on the skidpad. These numbers put it squarely in BMW X5 territory. Handling at high speeds is largely neutral with initial push and tail-out available under full throttle. Overall, we'd say it's a smart chassis setup by LeDuc and company and a nice complement to the 400 horses underhood.

Want one? Send your cards and letters to GM. Though many have wondered about the marketplace viability of high-performance sport/utilities, the demand appears to be there: Last year, the ML55 AMG was the best-selling among all AMG-ified Mercedes-Benzes. BMW is just now coming to market with its own hi-po, though not M-badged, X5. Let's not forget the upcoming Porsche Cayenne. So, why not a 400-hp TrailBlazer?





check out pics and the write up:
http://www.motortrend.com/mar02/blazer/blazer_f.html



now if GM will take that body styling under the same platform and make it into a 1500 series AWD TT pickup truck..... can we say the REAL Syclone II?!

i gotta figure out how to make some cash if this thing hits the production line...... anyone need a webpage?
 

TurboManiacal

Donating Member
Sure they'll make it...as a $60,000 E55 and X5 fighter...sound good? They think it does...Everybody can afford a $60,000 Caddy right?
 

GM TURBO

Sell Out
I was reading the latest Sport Truck and they said GM is going to produce the Silverado SS. 345HP/380 Ft/Lbs - AWD.

Looks pretty. We'll see if it actually happens.
 

Ty0279

Historically Significant
GM TURBO said:
I was reading the latest Sport Truck and they said GM is going to produce the Silverado SS. 345HP/380 Ft/Lbs - AWD.

The Silverado SS is just a GMC Denali pickup with different badging and some stupid cladding or shit like that, and probably no 4WS setup. General Motors is starting to piss me off. :x They're so f@!*ing gay!
 

TurboManiacal

Donating Member
Read this topic and let me know if you still think the Silverado SS is a good pickup:

http://s-series.org:8080/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3792&highlight=silverado+ss

silveradoss11.jpg


hmmm...4x4...ugly headlights...slow azz 345 truck engine...ext cab...no sport suspension...I'd rather try this one on for size w/ a Supercharged 6.0 or Z06 Engine:

207044_14_full.jpg
 

Loeryder

New member
The SSR is a gay ass looking hoopty ride that will be slow and not haul jack crap... 0X GM... nice try

The Trailblazer turbo will end up being an ultra luxury SUV that needs that much HP to move its heavy ass out of its own way.
It surely wont be the ride we all drooled over in the 'zine.
The guys who really know what they are doing at GM will probably crush that one hoping noone saw it or has forgotten about it.

I am keepin my Ty and will be mopping up stoplights with whatever GM calls its sport truck of the century...
 

cr133r

New member
I'd like to see that engine available in the HD trucks and 1/2 tons...

It'd get better economy when not in boost and would still be able to tow just about anything you could hook to the truck....

It'd be a great alternative to the Diesel for those that don't like the noise/smell.
 

Tooky

Serious about performance
What is the car makers' fetish with this fullsize bullshit? Fullsize does not a drag racer make..

Anyhow, who in the hell is behing the wheel at GM Marketing that is deciding to produce these DOA lemons? I cant name ONE person who is excited about the SSR or the Chevrolet SS with it's naturally aspirated truck motor sounds like it would be bowing down to the supercharged GTP family cars which are not really "hot rods" themselves.

Don't you think the goal of sales, is to try to produce something that the customers actually want and are willing and ready to buy? The twin turbo TrailBlazer had more interest than all those other losers put together.
 

TheObiJuan

Active member
if you have heard of the firehawk why have you not heard of slp's other creation, the camaro SS(not camero :roll: )

also, for what it is, the Pontiac GTP is a damn good car. it is a 4door or 2 door sedan with some balls. smaller pully and bam your ass hits the seat on every shift. not as hard as a syty with hartman's tranny though :D

in case you did not know, gm (general motors makes "chevy", "pontiac", and "buicl"

so any reference to chevy being pussy is one to GM.

you forgot to list one truck the GM wasted their time with.
the Sonoma GT
 

TurboManiacal

Donating Member
Re: GM, you better do this. Listen to the people.

V8 Sonoma GT said:
SYO237 said:
Chevy is the most performance oriented of these three brands.


now if GM will take that body styling under the same platform and make it into a 1500 series AWD TT pickup truck..... can we say the REAL Syclone II?!

Chevy is a bunch of pussies. Top of the line Firehawk Firebirds, will stomp any Camero. Grand AMs can beat Cavaliers, & Pontiac Montana would kill a Venture. They have never been performance orentiated, like in the 80s, why not back up the looks of the Monte Carlo SS, with the Turbo-charged power of a GN? 1989, Trans AMs 20th anniversay, Turbo 3.8, what did the 20th anniversay SS Camero have? V8. And lasty the Trucks. You would have thought that they would have considered making there version of the Syclone, like 91, they had the Cameo, why not? But overall the worst example is how GM is still putting the L67 (Super-charged 3.8) in the GTP, & Regal GS. The Monte Carlo SS, what a fuckin joke to the SS, why not Supercharge it, & give it some balls, so you can have a reason to call it an SS. The Monte SS reminds me of another joke to the SS, the S10 SS, smae engine as my truck had, the L35. Only 195 hp. The only exception is the Corvette, it has been Performance orentiated, except for the 80s, when they had 200hp engines, I am sorry, but thats sad for a Vette.

Also, why the hell put those engines in a 1500? Why not have the S-Series trucks go out with a bang. A twin turbo charged AWD bang. But seriously, why not in the new Colorado, or Coloradian, or what ever the hell they are calling the S trucks replacement. Even the Short bed, Standard cab 1500 are still big, too damn big. Look back a decade, at the 454SS, they wernt that great. But those were also somw powerless ass 454s. 250hp out of 454 cubic inches? Thats pretty fuckin weak, not sure on the torque. I think the only truck that stands a chance, would be HIGH hp truck, none of this 350 shit, at least get 380, to match the Lightning.

Guess that is my $0.02

Redd
Sonoma GT #82

How many other people are that much more stooooopid after reading that nonsense?

Top of the line Firehawk Firebirds, will stomp any Camero.

huh?

Grand AMs can beat Cavaliers

double huh? Who cares?

Pontiac Montana would kill a Venture

Wha....

No really who cares? Take your Montana / Ventura analogies to www.Ilovesoccermomsinminivansthatrace.com/phpBB I'm sure they have some cool convo's over there...maybe they can even get you to download that spellchecker for your browser.
 

TurboManiacal

Donating Member
huh? Somebody fart again?

Same engine...same body...same suspension...different headlights...yeah I see how your analogy works...(not)
 
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