Holley HP install and tips

Z SKI

Donating Member
Re: Holley HP install and tips

I used the Holley 100 psi sensors on mine... Installed the fuel one on my AFPR and the oil one where the stock oil feed line used to plumb from... My thinking was, the fuel and oil pressure could be logged and to assign some type of fail safe in the programming..
 

tbauer03

TRBOBOX
Re: Holley HP install and tips

Does anyone have the fuel injector wiring harness diagram? I want to make sure I have cylinder 1 and 3 correctly wired. Their labels were never attached when I opened the box and I seem to have misplaced the wiring diagram.
I currently have black/red to cylinder 1 and blue/red cylinder 3
 

SYCLONE-2234

New member
Re: Holley HP install and tips

Cyl 1- black & red. Cyl 2- yellow & red
Cyl 3- blue & red. Cyl 4- brown & red
Cyl 5- Grey & red. Cyl 6- purple & red

Holley V6 harness
 

tbauer03

TRBOBOX
Re: Holley HP install and tips

I am getting pretty close to having everything mechanically/electrically installed to get the truck running. Minus a couple optional input/output things I can do later. But I'd like to get this truck fired up so I can move it around.

I am starting to wrap my head around the controls/software and I have a timing question.

The quick start guide says to set base timing at 15 degrees or "whatever cranking timing is programmed to be". Stock was set to 0 degrees w/o the ECM plugged in. So in this instant should it be 0, 15, or another programmed value?

Also would anyone care to share their base calibrations so I can review a syty application?

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tbauer03

TRBOBOX
Re: Holley HP install and tips

My cranking/idle timing is 25 degrees.

Did you set the timing to 25 degrees? Or is that what it is with the computer controlling things? I don't believe my my timing tab off the timing chain cover reads that high.

If I wasn't clear I am running a new motor and have to get the distributor dialed back in.

I found the following article online which explains what I am trying to do but I am uncertain on what to set the timing to. 0 degrees, 15 degrees, 25 degrees etc etc?

http://forums.holley.com/showthread.php?2577-Synchronizing-Ignition-Timing-Holley-EFI

1) If installing or replacing the distributor, follow the vehicle/engine factory service manual instructions (Ford TFI: LINK/GM HEI: LINK). Temporarily disable the "Idle Spark" control (in Idle Settings), so the idle timing doesn't fluctuate rapidly when viewed with a timing light. Without disconnecting anything, start the engine, and turn the distributor to synchronize the engine's initial (idle) timing using a timing light. Ensure there aren't any active 'timing modifiers' at this point (e.g. Timing vs Coolant Temperature, Timing vs Manifold Air Temperature, Knock Retard, etc.). Also, ensure you don't have any erroneously programmed "Warning Enabled Timing Offset" parameters in the "Sensor Scaling/Warnings" (System ICF) or in the custom Inputs/Outputs (Inputs/Outputs ICF). If you're not sure, use the EFI software "Enable Static Timing Set" (in the "Sync With ECU" icon, drop down menu - top Toolbar). When the initial (idle) timing is synchronized, lock down the distributor's adjustment bolt and never touch it again for this purpose.

TIP: If you're unsure about the initial distributor installation/positioning, or you'd like to verify the base timing before starting the engine, it's suggested to temporarily disconnect the fuel injector harness, and crank the engine while viewing the Cranking Timing with a timing light. This prevents the engine from starting, but still allows you to adjust & confirm the base timing (engine safety). When the Cranking Timing is correct (synchronized), the timing at idle will be too.
If you're cranking the engine (with the injector harness disconnected), sync at 15° or whatever your Cranking Timing is.
If you're idling the engine (without disconnecting anything), sync at 25° or whatever your idle timing on your Timing Table is.
 

randy merritt

Donating Member
Re: Holley HP install and tips

I stand corrected. My cranking timing is 26.8 degrees for some reason. I don't think I have ever messed with it. Setting yours at 25 degrees advance should work just fine.

All of the cells in my timing table in the lower left area (idle area) are 25 degrees. You will need an advance timing gun to be able to check your timing absolutely correctly, but the "set static timing" will allow you to lower the timing close to zero advance, but not exactly (I don't know whey it won't let you just set the timing to zero advanced like a stock truck)

Call me if you have additional questions. 850-251-8860

 

tbauer03

TRBOBOX
Re: Holley HP install and tips

I am still confused. :dunno:

I must be over complicating this in my head.
So just set to 25 degrees running with out fuel and confirm when its idling?

What is your reference angle? Top corner of this screen shot.

And if you don't mind could you please e-mail one of your base configuration files so I can reference it as I get things set up
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tbauer03@hotmail.com

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wildphil

I Love My Ty's
Re: Holley HP install and tips

The way I read the instructions you have posted. Are you first disconnect the harness to your injectors so the truck will not start. Then you have someone crank your truck and you use the timing light and set your timing to 15 degrees. Plug the injector harness back up. Then you start your truck. Check the tables it tells you to look at and read what it says your timing actually is. Then you the adjust your distributor while watching the actual timing output until it matches the 15 degrees timing it says to set for HEI. Then you lock down the distributor. And then all timing adjustments are done by changing it in the Holley.
 

tbauer03

TRBOBOX
Re: Holley HP install and tips

The way I read the instructions you have posted. Are you first disconnect the harness to your injectors so the truck will not start. Then you have someone crank your truck and you use the timing light and set your timing to 15 degrees. Plug the injector harness back up. Then you start your truck. Check the tables it tells you to look at and read what it says your timing actually is. Then you the adjust your distributor while watching the actual timing output until it matches the 15 degrees timing it says to set for HEI. Then you lock down the distributor. And then all timing adjustments are done by changing it in the Holley.

Ok so your not actually locking the distributor down until you hit the 25 degree idle/ cranking timing. The 15 w/o fuel is just more of a safety precaution to not cause early detonation because you might have the dist way out of whack.
Is that the correct way of understanding it?
 

wildphil

I Love My Ty's
Re: Holley HP install and tips

Ok so your not actually locking the distributor down until you hit the 25 degree idle/ cranking timing. The 15 w/o fuel is just more of a safety precaution to not cause early detonation because you might have the dist way out of whack.
Is that the correct way of understanding it?

My guess is you would set in your programming idle/ cranking timing at first to something you can also read on your tab with a timing light. Unless you have a timing light that you can adjust the advance. If you do you can adjust to the 25 degrees you want now.

What I think and I may be wrong is that the first part done with the timing light is to just get it started. Then you check for leaks and whatever else it say to check.

Then you check parameter Ignition timing. If that number does not match what you now read with your timing light with the engine running. Turn the distributor until they match. Then lock the distributor down. Then once they match you can reset your idle/ cranking timing in your program to whatever you want. And any other timing change is now done only through programming.

Without seeing all the instructions I am not sure. What you have posted is giving you the instructions on getting the truck running. And getting your ECU timing reading to match your actual timing. This is to allow you to make the rest of your timing adjustments from the ECU.
 
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fivetodrive

CRISPY
Re: Holley HP install and tips

I have been looking at harnesses and trying to figure out all that I need and it looks like the holley TPI harness would save a few bucks or am I incorrect... I couldnt find harness part numbers here on on the other few sites I have looked at...

https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/fuel_injection/hp_efi/hp_harnesses/parts/558-503
Holleydays Price: $423.86

It looks like it inculdes:


Universal MPFI Main Harness
https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/fuel_injection/hp_efi/hp_harnesses/parts/558-104
Holleydays Price: $288.86

Main Power Harness
https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/fuel_injection/hp_efi/hp_harnesses/parts/558-203
Holleydays Price: $53.85

HEI GM Small Cap Ignition Harness
https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/fuel_injection/hp_efi/hp_harnesses/parts/558-304
Holleydays Price: $27.37

Universal 6 Cylinder Injector Harness
https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/fuel_injection/hp_efi/hp_harnesses/parts/558-203
Holleydays Price: $108.86

I know I would still need:

LSU4 Bosch Wideband
https://www.holley.com/products/fue...el_injection_components/sensors/parts/554-101
Holleydays Price: $132.26

3 Bar MAP
https://www.holley.com/products/fue...el_injection_components/sensors/parts/554-107
Holleydays Price: $82.22


And maybe:
3 Port Boost Control Solenoid Valve
https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/fuel_injection/boost_control/parts/557-200
Holleydays Price: $93.56

Or sell my ecu and buy the kit?
https://www.holley.com/products/fue...on/hp_efi/ecu_and_harness_kits/parts/550-601N
 
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randy merritt

Donating Member
Re: Holley HP install and tips

Thought I would give an update. The truck is running great. The tune is spot on still, no issues. This is the single best thing I have done with the Syclone.
 

Z SKI

Donating Member
Re: Holley HP install and tips

Hey Randy,

Did you ever figure out the whole activation of the two-step with a "hold brake and load past XXXX RPM" setup with the Holley??

I remember it was brought up in the past, but don't remember reading the outcome..

Thanks,
 

randy merritt

Donating Member
Re: Holley HP install and tips

Hey Randy,

Did you ever figure out the whole activation of the two-step with a "hold brake and load past XXXX RPM" setup with the Holley??

I remember it was brought up in the past, but don't remember reading the outcome..

Thanks,

No, I didn't go ahead and do this. The new brake vacuum booster pump I put on the truck works so good that I don't see any real need for a two step anymore. It should be fairly easy to do, however.
 

randy merritt

Donating Member
Re: Holley HP install and tips

I have had a few questions recently about keeping the factory gauges, speedo, and tach working with the Holley. If you leave all of the stock wiring, and unplug the stock ECM but leave the DRAC, all of the gauges with the exception of the boost gauge will work properly. The speedo and the tach will work properly also. No need to touch these or interface with the Holley. The stock boost gauge will no longer work, as it has no signal input from the MAP sensor.

I just tucked my factory harness behind the dist. in case I ever wanted to go back to stock. I did remove the stock injector harness, as it was easy to unplug.

Unplugging the stock ECM is not necessary, but I wanted to remove it to have more room to route wires.

The above statements assume that the truck has a stock(is) transmission installed in order for the DRAC to drive the speedo.
 
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