Looking for performance build advice on my truck

Tooky

Serious about performance
Hi, I've recieved some great advice on this issue so far, but I want to ask the board to see if there are any other opinions.

I'm currently running a best 12.58 with stock parts on 100 octane and usually run 12.7s or so. My goal is a seriously fast street car that is reliable and driveable most of the time. I am willing to spend significant time turning wrenches but I want a street car and not a dragster. So what I'm looking for at minimum is a vehicle that can run consistent high 11s the majority of the time I run it anywhere. Right now if I take someone for a ride in my truck it's a low 13 second ride and pretty unimpressive. Rarely do I give someone a ride when it happens to be making peak power.

So I have a few grand and I'm preparing to drop some serious $ on my truck for the very first time. I was gonna put on a PT51 turbo upgrade and then do a torque converter if the spool turns out to be too slow (and rebuild the tranny) and same thing if the injectors turn out to requre 50#s. No problems there. And I've already got the $390 SMC Alcohol Injection kit so hopefully I can run ~20 PSI Boost on 93 octane once I get that dialed in. I really look forward to tweaking with the alcohol and spending time on it. My problem is I'm not sure the turbo (and converter/injector) upgrade is going to give me enough power increase to satisfy my minimum requirement (consistent 11s). I imagine it running 12.2-12.3s or so and maybe an 11.99 on the best days. That isnt' fast enough to warrant the $ spent.

Would I be better off with a different vehicle? I'm open to Turbo Regals, F-bodys, Fox body Mustangs, big block "hot rods", or DSMs. I like my Syclone a lot though and the AWD is a big attraction for my "street car" criteria, and the originality of a rare truck scores big points in my book. But my bottom line is I want that hard acceleration over anything else. I wish I knew if the PT51/stock motor idea would be building "enough".

My final option is to build another 4.3 motor for my Sy on the side and do forged bottom end, camshaft, and not much else. Then add a big turbo (PT63-ish) and try to run mid-low 11s or faster if the build allows. Problem is I dont have any real accessibility for a place to store and build a motor at this point in my life. I could rent a storage unit and do it there but its not as convenient. But I'm willing to do what it takes so this is still an option. I guess if you think if I build the PT51 and run it I'm gonna be really disappointed, then you should tell me I'd be a lot happier just building a built motor to begin with and not spending any time/money on a stock motor idea. OTOH it seems silly to discontinue use of a tight 35,000 mile stock motor. Ahhhh decisions, decisions. Please help. 8)
 

Captain Morgan

Moderated User
why dont you take the advice you gave me, sell it and buy a corvette or something :roll:

**edit, cause im bored**

Tooky, you know absolutely nothing about me, my truck, my lifestyle, what I do, where im from, or how i handle things. for you to come on, and TELL ME what my problem is, just shows how truely ignorant you really are. for those are wondering what I am talking about, a while back i asked what injectors would be BEST for running the PTE 52 turbo with. I posted some of my current setup I believe. A few people suggested 50#'s with the Ultimate, i replied saying I didnt want to go with the Ultimate (no offence brian) but I have already went that route, and I didnt work for me.

all of a sudden, here comes tooky with his unlimited knowledge of SyTys, telling me I dont spend enough time tuning my truck, and about 40 other pounds of bullshit, and in closing, that I should sell my truck, and buy a more common vehicle.

well ya know what tooky, you dont know what the fuck my setup was, you dont know what the fuck i tried, how I tuned it, WHO i tuned it with, people I talked to, and runs I recorded. so how DARE you come on and tell ANYONE what the hell they should do, especially like that. all I wanted to know, was what a tried and true injector was, and if YOU cant tell me that, then shut the fuck up, and dont reply, cause unfortunately for you, I really wasnt bothered by your antics or posts, and I valued the information you gave me on my truck over a year ago, but ya know what, now you can go fuck yourself, and go forbid we ever meet face to face again, that post you made a few months back wont be the only thing you regret.

goodluck with your truck and your stock L35's, bitch. :fist:
 

vortecfiero

New member
seems to me It's all about volumetric effiency and building an engine to produce and handle it...
How efficient do you want to be?

formule 1 engines in the 70's made about 900 hp from 2.5 litres for about 4 hrs finishing at about 500hp

technology has advanced but the wear and tear seems to remain the same
 

SY732

New member
Re: Looking for performance build advice on my truck

TookyCat said:
Hi, I've recieved some great advice on this issue so far, but I want to ask the board to see if there are any other opinions.

I'm currently running a best 12.58 with stock parts on 100 octane and usually run 12.7s or so. My goal is a seriously fast street car that is reliable and driveable most of the time. I am willing to spend significant time turning wrenches but I want a street car and not a dragster. So what I'm looking for at minimum is a vehicle that can run consistent high 11s the majority of the time I run it anywhere. Right now if I take someone for a ride in my truck it's a low 13 second ride and pretty unimpressive. Rarely do I give someone a ride when it happens to be making peak power.

So I have a few grand and I'm preparing to drop some serious $ on my truck for the very first time. I was gonna put on a PT51 turbo upgrade and then do a torque converter if the spool turns out to be too slow (and rebuild the tranny) and same thing if the injectors turn out to requre 50#s. No problems there. And I've already got the $390 SMC Alcohol Injection kit so hopefully I can run ~20 PSI Boost on 93 octane once I get that dialed in. I really look forward to tweaking with the alcohol and spending time on it. My problem is I'm not sure the turbo (and converter/injector) upgrade is going to give me enough power increase to satisfy my minimum requirement (consistent 11s). I imagine it running 12.2-12.3s or so and maybe an 11.99 on the best days. That isnt' fast enough to warrant the $ spent.

If you only want 11.99-12.3 why not copy part of Digs and part of Marks 20G combos (both proven 11.9-12.2) or better yet get a PTE44 then you can keep the stock injectors and stall... you will need a taller tire to run 11's in 3rd.

Maybe go BB.
 

Tooky

Serious about performance
Re: Looking for performance build advice on my truck

SY732 said:
If you only want 11.99-12.3 why not copy part of Digs and part of Marks 20G combos (both proven 11.9-12.2)
Not a bad idea but I want 11.7-11.99 instead. I'd prefer to not run any 12s except on bad runs.
or better yet get a PTE44 then you can keep the stock injectors and stall... you will need a taller tire to run 11's in 3rd.
I like your ideas of keeping stock parts (Value). I'm not afraid of 4th gear. I think if I put on a tire tall enough to make a difference in gearing it would throw my speedometer off. I realize my stock tranny won't last forever so I'm running it till it blows then having it rebuilt and I shouldn't have to worry about using 4th gear when it's rebuilt. I hit 4th gear at about 97 MPH on every one of my dragstrip passes / quarter mile runs which is easily over 100 and no problems yet. How some people wind out 3rd gear on a stock cam I have absolutely no idea.. my truck doesnt accelerate anywhere after 4600...
Maybe go BB.
I would like to but I think it's a poor value for the dollars spent. I'd try paying someone to do custom "fast spool" chip code first since I heard about promising results from numerous people.
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: Looking for performance build advice on my truck

My goals for my truck are pretty much the same. As of right now, I plan on doing a 911/PTE 52 with a Ball Bearings/50lb injectors/Custom Chip/Vortech heads/mild cam/Built short block (and some weight saving through suspension upgrades) I don't plan on being a world record holder....I just want a fast truck with A/C and good street manners.

I plan on doing this slowly as my budget allows. I figure the learning process will be invaluable as I make small changes. I plan on keeping everything relatively mild and just tune it. I have found the fastest automobile for the amount of mods are always the people who tune it them selves and pay attention to the small details.
 

SY732

New member
Re: Looking for performance build advice on my truck

TookyCat said:
SY732 said:
If you only want 11.99-12.3 why not copy part of Digs and part of Marks 20G combos (both proven 11.9-12.2)
Not a bad idea but I want 11.7-11.99 instead. I'd prefer to not run any 12s except on bad runs.

Dig is running stock intake and mufflers... IE there is more in there... I gained .3-.4 when I went to custom 3" (DP back)

or better yet get a PTE44 then you can keep the stock injectors and stall... you will need a taller tire to run 11's in 3rd.
I like your ideas of keeping stock parts (Value). I'm not afraid of 4th gear. I think if I put on a tire tall enough to make a difference in gearing it would throw my speedometer off. I realize my stock tranny won't last forever so I'm running it till it blows then having it rebuilt and I shouldn't have to worry about using 4th gear when it's rebuilt. I hit 4th gear at about 97 MPH on every one of my dragstrip passes / quarter mile runs which is easily over 100 and no problems yet. How some people wind out 3rd gear on a stock cam I have absolutely no idea.. my truck doesnt accelerate anywhere after 4600...

Well your 60' sux, I was running 1.73-1.75 with the stock firestones.
If you can run 1.70 your 12.6 becomes a 12.4 and you should be at at about 5,000 rpms in 3rd at the finish line, its quicker and your trans should last.

Do you have a trans cooler? Syn fluid?

When are you locking the tcc?

But they dont have L35's... With the L35's and all the tricks you should be able to run 11's

Maybe youre next mod should be a cam, (Mark went 11.0 @ 122 with untoched l35's and a cam)

Maybe go BB.
I would like to but I think it's a poor value for the dollars spent. I'd try paying someone to do custom "fast spool" chip code first since I heard about promising results from numerous people.

Custom tunning is the best money you can spend, look at all the 10's 11's and 12's from last years Nats (or ask Darron what he was calling Dig at GB, we were running 12.8-12.9's DA was 4,000 and we changed a few things and 12.5)

I thik they all have custom tunning:
10.4 130 Pro Hoover TN
10.6 126 Pro McCoy's Red S10 KY
10.7 126 Mod Turbo Tony Canada
11.5 118 Mod Charles Blossom MN
11.6 123 Pro Ryan R. (TY) IL
11.7 117 Mod Mark Larson MN
11.7 117 Mod Peter Humblis NJ
11.9 114 Mod Myclone NC
11.9 114 Mod Darrin (TY) IL
12.2 109 Mod Dig MN
12.2 108 Mod John Waller (TY) SC
12.5 106 ST Kris Olson MN

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Syclone#892

Member
Here is my opinion Josh, get like a pte 52 or so from Mike Lee and have him do the ball bearing upgrade(its on sale right now) maybe you could get a 63 bb even and it would spool fine I am not sure. Get a 9/11, Darrin still has his give himna call he will give you a good deal, hell he gave me a great deal. 50# injectors with the ultimate or some Dig tuning if you can afford it. Possibly put in a atr cam or so in your motor to give you just a little more(Darrin may have a cam for you), I would ask around though as I am not sure if the stock springs could handle a different cam. Get Mike Lees air to air very nice piece and will cool better on the street. I would do something like that on your motor and start gathering up the parts for a rebuild so you have an engine on the stand incase your engine goes.
Or start with a solid built engine first but that costs a lot so I would think thats out. If you absolutely have not place to rebuild an engine I can lend you some garage space at my house, it may be a drive for you but I have the tools you would have to just have the block machined ans such and we could assemble it. Real cool that your finally going all out on your truck I wish you the best of luck and hopefully I will be up and running in a month or so.
 
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