Road tracking caused by directional tires?
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warmpancakes
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Re: Road tracking caused by directional tires?
He lied , I installed bear trackers on the ty problems gone
He lied , I installed bear trackers on the ty problems gone
TYTILIDIE
METH HEAD
Re: Road tracking caused by directional tires?
Alignment checks out. Also the alignment guy told me my front end was very solid. I had asked him to spend a pinch more time looking for problems. Things are definitely better but I never had this issue until I put my Z06 wheels on. If a front wheel were bent would it cause this maybe?
sy#2921 said:
Alignment checks out. Also the alignment guy told me my front end was very solid. I had asked him to spend a pinch more time looking for problems. Things are definitely better but I never had this issue until I put my Z06 wheels on. If a front wheel were bent would it cause this maybe?
LIL QIK
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Re: Road tracking caused by directional tires?
Well I think that's all it really is...except with a little more adjustability. Baer's site gives a pretty good description of them. But Warmpancakes could probably offer some insight being that he's actually installed his. Mine are still sitting with the rest of the parts waiting for me to get home...lol. I just ordered them because I also have the 295's on the front and anticipate problems with the bump steer. Anytime I've ever gone to a wider tire than factory and lowered the vehicle...I've always had problems with the vehicle wanting to follow the cracks in the road surface. And typically gets really bad if it hits some unlevelness as well.TYTILIDIE said:
dgoodhue
BuSTeD 4.3
Re: Road tracking caused by directional tires?
So it appears Baer trackers are just adapter for heim joints for tie rods ends. Its similiar to what Dunstan was doing with his Tierods. Basically the Heim have no giving to them, so thier is no play in the tie rods. I have a set of Dunstan Tierods.
As for 275's I put on a set of 275's ZR-1 wheel (from my Corvette) on Typhoon with a rebuilt front suspension (and tie rods ends), it followed the road grooves like crazy. My 86 Corvette didn't have this problem at all. 86 Corvette came with 255 from the factory, I noticed a slight increase in tracking when I went to 275. One note is that GM change the suspension geometry (Zero Scrub) in 1988 on the Corvette when it went to 275 tires.
Someone around here mention that increased caster helped with the tire tracking issue. it would be great if someone could figured out what need to be done to keeping the tracking down to a minimum.
In my Syclone, I stuck with my stock wheels and tires, because I was so turned off by the tracking. Soemtimes, I wonder if I would have tracking issues since my suspension is now a full coilover, the steering is redone with heim joints, and I have quite a bit of caster in my alignment.
So it appears Baer trackers are just adapter for heim joints for tie rods ends. Its similiar to what Dunstan was doing with his Tierods. Basically the Heim have no giving to them, so thier is no play in the tie rods. I have a set of Dunstan Tierods.
As for 275's I put on a set of 275's ZR-1 wheel (from my Corvette) on Typhoon with a rebuilt front suspension (and tie rods ends), it followed the road grooves like crazy. My 86 Corvette didn't have this problem at all. 86 Corvette came with 255 from the factory, I noticed a slight increase in tracking when I went to 275. One note is that GM change the suspension geometry (Zero Scrub) in 1988 on the Corvette when it went to 275 tires.
Someone around here mention that increased caster helped with the tire tracking issue. it would be great if someone could figured out what need to be done to keeping the tracking down to a minimum.
In my Syclone, I stuck with my stock wheels and tires, because I was so turned off by the tracking. Soemtimes, I wonder if I would have tracking issues since my suspension is now a full coilover, the steering is redone with heim joints, and I have quite a bit of caster in my alignment.
warmpancakes
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Re: Road tracking caused by directional tires?
the bear trackers help alot as the put some "slop" in the tie rode to allow the wheel to move some before the steering wheel, they dont make them for a 4x4 so i made the 2wd work
the bear trackers help alot as the put some "slop" in the tie rode to allow the wheel to move some before the steering wheel, they dont make them for a 4x4 so i made the 2wd work
Re: Road tracking caused by directional tires?
In my Syclone, I stuck with my stock wheels and tires, because I was so turned off by the tracking. Soemtimes, I wonder if I would have tracking issues since my suspension is now a full coilover, the steering is redone with heim joints, and I have quite a bit of caster in my alignment.[/QUOTE]
how do you like the heim steering im wanting to do that when my front wears out
In my Syclone, I stuck with my stock wheels and tires, because I was so turned off by the tracking. Soemtimes, I wonder if I would have tracking issues since my suspension is now a full coilover, the steering is redone with heim joints, and I have quite a bit of caster in my alignment.[/QUOTE]
how do you like the heim steering im wanting to do that when my front wears out
Re: Road tracking caused by directional tires?
My 2wd has a ton of tracking as well. More caster is the answer. Throw the stock specs out the window, do a search for the specs that Jeff Scott posted awhile back. Get as much caster as you can, and keep both sides equal and it will track nice and true regardless of road surface or tire width. I have over 5* in each side on my 2wd and run 275's up front with ~5" of drop aside from some serious steering wheel slop, it tracks nice and true.
My 2wd has a ton of tracking as well. More caster is the answer. Throw the stock specs out the window, do a search for the specs that Jeff Scott posted awhile back. Get as much caster as you can, and keep both sides equal and it will track nice and true regardless of road surface or tire width. I have over 5* in each side on my 2wd and run 275's up front with ~5" of drop aside from some serious steering wheel slop, it tracks nice and true.
TYTILIDIE
METH HEAD
Re: Road tracking caused by directional tires?
Tires are going to be my first try. I need new fronts anyway. When I get the tires on I will probably search for a different alignment spec. Wont hurt to try something new. If all else fails I can have them put it back. I may try raising my truck back to stock just to see if it still does it to rule out the Baer Trackers.
Tires are going to be my first try. I need new fronts anyway. When I get the tires on I will probably search for a different alignment spec. Wont hurt to try something new. If all else fails I can have them put it back. I may try raising my truck back to stock just to see if it still does it to rule out the Baer Trackers.
Re: Road tracking caused by directional tires?
I know exactly what it does and how it effects the drive ability of the truck. I think I've probably researched it more than anyone ever should.
Low speed effort is increased, slightly. We have power steering on these trucks, and thats typically a ton easier to deal with than the truck moving sideways at freeway speeds because of it tracking through grooves in the pavement. It's all a compromise, and I'll take a little extra effort any day.
While it might be the tires, it might be the steering box, and it might be the tie rod ends.......all anyone here is doing is posting what has worked for them. I've seen more than 10 trucks with suspension all the way from stock to full coilover benefit from more caster. Throw as much as you can in there, then start backing it down until the steering effort, and road tracking are at acceptable levels. I've found 5-7* to be about as much as you can get in the front end of a 4wd s-series, as well as a good compromise between the two conditions.
I know exactly what it does and how it effects the drive ability of the truck. I think I've probably researched it more than anyone ever should.
Low speed effort is increased, slightly. We have power steering on these trucks, and thats typically a ton easier to deal with than the truck moving sideways at freeway speeds because of it tracking through grooves in the pavement. It's all a compromise, and I'll take a little extra effort any day.
While it might be the tires, it might be the steering box, and it might be the tie rod ends.......all anyone here is doing is posting what has worked for them. I've seen more than 10 trucks with suspension all the way from stock to full coilover benefit from more caster. Throw as much as you can in there, then start backing it down until the steering effort, and road tracking are at acceptable levels. I've found 5-7* to be about as much as you can get in the front end of a 4wd s-series, as well as a good compromise between the two conditions.
dgoodhue
BuSTeD 4.3
Re: Road tracking caused by directional tires?
I was able to put in 3.25 degrees of caster in my suspension (I did my own alignment). It was the maximum caster I could attain on both sides (one side I was able to get 3.5 degrees) The factory spec for SyTy is 1.5 degrees of caster.
DaveP said:
I was able to put in 3.25 degrees of caster in my suspension (I did my own alignment). It was the maximum caster I could attain on both sides (one side I was able to get 3.5 degrees) The factory spec for SyTy is 1.5 degrees of caster.