GM's small secret

White97SVT

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I went to a presentation tonight with the Brand manager for Chevy, he is incharge of the Camaro, and the Corvette. He could only answer some ?'s though cause he said he isn't aloud to talk about new things in development. But I did ask him what he could tell me about the Trailblazer TT. He told me, "I'm not exaclty sure about that, but the people that are designing them have come up with some interesting idea's, and that we should expect something very intersting ans exciting out of their truck and SUV's in the near future."
Also he said that his favorite car of all times is the Camaro, "Read between the lines." Oh also they are coming out the the new C6 design, don't know if there have been any press releases on that yet.
You should have seen the 35th SS he showed up in, naste Vortech 455hp to the rear wheels.
If anyone else knows anything about this, iwouldn't mind knowing a little more.
 

ghostrider_85

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just a thought...it would be cool if we could put a direct link to GM on the links page so that we can e-mail them with our thoughts?
 

Muscletruck

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If you ask me I think that if these vehicles are produced they will make a little bit more than 270hp because the Envoy and the Trailblazer makes 270 now and it a v6. So if that's all the hp that they are churning out I would say no way these vehicles are gonna be produced.
 
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UR50SLO

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Just sat down to read a motortrend issue when I was having my wife's tires changed at the local store. There is a nice article about the Twin Turbo Trail Blazer in there. They hope to produce them for sale in 2003.
It's a streight 6 with twin turbos that makes 400hp with only 8.5lbs/boost! Runs a AWD system out of the full size caddy's suv dropped the compression ect.. price tag expected to be in the low 40's EEkkks.
Great little truck said to run 13's stock! 4doors of fun if you ask me~Scott.
 

jimhrabe

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My God!!!!! 4 Years OLD! This post had to have a couple of inches of dust on it!!!!LOL
 

2kwik4u

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smaug said:
and a ls1 in a trailblazer, i would doubt it.

Took em two years, but the SS made it :D FINALLY!


I just wanted to quote someone instead of repeating I agree :D
 

BacDoc

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Not sure how I came across this....oh well. I really wanted an SS when they came out I had first crack at one but couldn't get over the terrible GM interior and 12mpg or whatever it is.
 

turbodig

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dave fisher said:
as some of you know i and my dad work for GM. he, more than i, get the low down on some projects. here's one of the latest.

GM has 7, 2 door blazers at its Proving grounds with LS1's. Auto's, some suspension work done. and 17's. There is a guy my dad knows that was involved with the project, and talked with him extensively about this. what GM is thinking, according to my dad's contact, is to take back the mid-size sport utility category. they gave the "go-ahead" to a few people andas you can see, used LS1's in a new blazer.

so far they HAVE NOT detuned the engine, still re-mains right out of the box from the camaros. Turns out GM made alot of extra LS1's to use as base engines for a few projects and this is one of them.

They recently let a magazine come out and take a few pictures of 2 of the Blazers (both black). i forgot what magazine now, but they gave GM a thumbs up for showing " guts " .

my dad asked if this is going to be a likely project that will see the light of day. the guy said " yes its feasable, but getting GM to mass produce these is going to be very very hard considering the market right now is sport trucks and not sport SUVS" he did however say " Yes some will be made but the # will not be determined for another 8 months "

He said also " they dont want a repeat of the Typhoon, meaning too much effort and not enough to show for it" ... k i dont get this one.

My personal thinking on this whole subject, is that GM is likeing the idea, they wont send them out to a sub-company like PAS, if they do them, it will be all GM with a de-tuned LS1 making about 260-270hp. but thats my opinion.

in closing i'll say this " dont you think its weird Pontiac is being a little too quiet lately?" keep an eye on that brand. they have more tricks coming up than all the GM brands put together.

GM isn't paying attention, if they're coming up with v8 blazer concepts. There isn't any more of a market for sport trucks, it's about FUEL ECONOMY. A smaller truck gets better mileage, at least in theory.

Look at the people who are beating the pants off GM - Honda and Toyota. Look what they build. Economical (gas-mileage-wise) vehicles that have fewer mechanical problems.So GM's answer to that is to build an LS1 blazer?

(Note: not trying to start an American quality vs. Foreign quality bashing thread.)

I'm a car guy. An LS1 blazer sounds a heck of a lot more fun to me than a Toyota Sienna.
But, 2 things are true:

1) The Sienna will be cheaper to operate.
2) As a car guy, I'm a very small percentage of the population.

There are many, many more people that will buy the van. It's simple economics.

There was a stat on the radio this am... 9 out of 13 vehicle manus worldwide have average gas mileage that's less than it was 10 years ago. Shouldn't we be getting better? Like, lots better?

The tragedy is that we *could* be doing better. (We=Big 3)
GM could build a line of small-engine turbo motors that were fun to drive, got great mileage, and were reliable. Then put them into small and mid-size cars.

Turbo diesel vans. Small turbo diesel sport trucks. IDI gas motors that would burn up to 100% ethanol, and would increase the boost accordingly with the increasing alky %.
If they have the technology to make a 6.1 liter motor get 25 mpg city, I'm all for that too.
(Not holding my breath for that one)

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see more HP cars/trucks. But, the general population wants performance and economy and reliability, and 1 out of 3 won't do.

My .02.
 

turbodig

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warmpancakes said:
drive a z06 vette 28MPG on the e way


Like I said, if they can do that, great. Of course, you're shelling 65 large for it, too.

Doesn't seem to be anywhere the case in the trucks and SUVs. They're lucky to see 21 on the highway and 16-17 in town. Why not apply some of the same technology?
 

alwayscode390

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The SS is an ls2 instead of ls1....and this guy knew the Camaro would be styled after the 60's generation .... but he said 2007....and its 2009 , heheh ....impressive ---
 

ThaJokr

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turbodig said:
Like I said, if they can do that, great. Of course, you're shelling 65 large for it, too.

Doesn't seem to be anywhere the case in the trucks and SUVs. They're lucky to see 21 on the highway and 16-17 in town. Why not apply some of the same technology?
I get 29mpg in my 99 C5 FRC, and 32 on trips.
 

TurboManiacal

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turbodig said:
Look at the people who are beating the pants off GM - Honda and Toyota. Look what they build. Economical (gas-mileage-wise) vehicles that have fewer mechanical problems.So GM's answer to that is to build an LS1 blazer?
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First point...your post is 4yrs too late. Second, read this article:

Perception Is Reality

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Toyota recalled more than 9,400 early-model 2007 FJ Cruisers for potential tire defects. GM's Pontiac Grand Prix rated first for best full-size car in J. D. Power and Associates' Initial Quality Survey this year.

Date posted: 09-07-2006

Perception is reality in the car business. And it takes a long time to change perceptions.

Witness the tale of two companies — Toyota and General Motors. Despite recalls and public relations woes, Toyota's image of bulletproof quality persists, and sales and market share rise. Despite concrete evidence to the contrary, GM's reputation for inferior quality remains, while sales and market share decline.

In recent months, Toyota has recalled nearly 3 million vehicles in the U.S. alone, and has millions of other recalls worldwide. The list of recalled vehicles is growing to include its highly touted Prius hybrid and its spanking-new FJ Cruiser. Several of these recalls aren't for minor kinks, but serious issues that could be dangerous to consumers. Investigations by the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration on older Tundras and Sienna minivans have been upgraded as well.

In addition to massive recalls outside the U.S., Japanese prosecutors are looking into an alleged delay by Toyota executives in recalling a vehicle in Japan that is sold as the 4Runner in the U.S. The investigation, which is reminiscent of one that led to major problems for Mitsubishi, centers around Toyota executives' failure to recall the vehicle although the company knew as early as 1996 that it was defective.

In New York, Toyota has just settled another public relations nightmare — a sexual harassment suit filed by one of its female employees, who has publicly detailed her allegations. The terms of the settlement have not been revealed, but the suit will inevitably cost Toyota millions of dollars.

Toyota's recalls and public relations woes have many Detroit auto executives secretly smirking — or, at the very least, wondering if its once-sterling reputation will be tarnished. One pondered out loud if Toyota might lose female buyers, who flock to the brand for its quality, but might be turned away by news of the sexual harassment suit.

Indeed, some experts think Toyota's image is in danger. In late July, Fitch Ratings said the increasing number of recalls could mar the company's brand image. But Toyota's ever-increasing sales and market share suggest the public perception persists that the Japanese automaker produces bulletproof quality. Why? Perhaps it is because Toyota has built years of goodwill.

And it takes a long time to change the perception and for perceptions to reflect reality.

Just ask General Motors. Shifting perception is its most formidable challenge.

Evidence is mounting that GM quality is improving. A University of Michigan analysis of customer attitudes found that General Motors has been doing a better job of impressing buyers. Quality surveys, such as J. D. Power and Associates Initial Quality Survey (quality in the first 30 days of ownership) and Dependability Survey (over years of ownership) show GM improving, especially with the Buick and Cadillac brands.

Nevertheless, the perception that GM's quality lags behind Toyota's by quantum amounts persists. Indeed, Toyota and its Lexus luxury division, in particular, outrank even GM's best in the same surveys, though not by as massive amounts as the public apparently thinks. And the University of Michigan analysis of customer attitudes showed Toyota outdoing GM.

The disconnects are that Toyota has built years of goodwill while GM has collected decades of ill will. Just read the letters to the editors in newspapers and magazines, the mailbag of any automotive journalist or the chat rooms on the Internet. Until its recent spate of recalls, Toyota had consistent quality across the board of products and plants for many years running, whereas GM had bright spots with some models and plants and quite the opposite with others.

In the end, the only score that matters is sales. That's where the public votes with its cash. And that's where the evidence of public perception is clear. In July, Toyota's three brands — Toyota, Lexus and Scion — surpassed those of the Ford group, moving Toyota into 2nd place and closing in on GM. Industry journal Automotive News reported GM sales dropped 22.5 percent in July while Toyota set a new record. (Ford was down 34.3 percent.)

For August, both Toyota and GM sales were up, by 17 percent and 3.9 percent, respectively. Now let's see what perceptions do over the next 12 months.

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SBNova

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We recently bought a new car. An SUV actually. I have long been faithfull to GM. Why, I am not sure. I have owned two Fords, two VW's (old bugs) and all the rest are GM's- 67 Nova, 64 Chevy P/U, 71 Nova, 2000 Impala, 1985 Vette, 1993 Typhoon.

When I was price checking, I compared pretty much everything. We almost bought a new Trailblazer SS a few months ago, but the dealership wouldnt make a deal- and in hindsight I am glad they didnt. I was very interested in the Nissan Pathfinder, with its 6cyl and "better" mileage for an SUV. I considered a Hummer H3, but its performance sucks and its mileage isnt great either. Why did they put a 5 cylinder in a heavy all wheel drive truck! We didnt want a 6cyl trailblazer, and I thought the styling was getting dated. They should be coming up for a facelift soon and I didnt want to buy a new truck that looked old in one year. We ended up buying a new Tahoe. It has an LS V8 with plenty of pep, seats 7 ( 2+2+3), has a nice towing capacity and is very roomy. This Tahoe also claims 16mpg city and 22 hwy, and I think its close. It has less than 600 miles on it right now so its hard to tell, but you can watch the cylinders drop off on cruise down to a V4 and the "instant mileage" goes up. Displacement on demand, and it is seamless.

Having owned several GM's, I would say quality is high. Maybe GM's highest that I have ever seen. That truck is quite, tight and luxurious. We have the LT with leather, sunroof and the whole Onstar / XM package- which is a great selling feature to those that have never used it. Its price was VERY similar to the Pathfinder's advertised price, after we dealed.

This is my wifes vehicle and she couldnt be happier. I am happy with the mileage and price vs. quality. We also have the new GM warranty, which only covers powertrain- something kinda hidden in the advertisements. I guess its better than the old warranty anyway. I give GM two thumbs up, for keeping me as a GM buyer when I was ready to buy elsewhere.
 

turbodig

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TurboManiacal said:
First point...your post is 4yrs too late. Second, read this article:

I just got a new Popular Mechanics. There's a nice, glossy ad for a new Chevy truck.
In the fine print at the margin, the EPA estimate is 15 city, 19 highway. I don't consider that good, I guess.

On the other hand, we've got an old GMC 5.7 diesel pickup that got 20 in town, and 25 on the road. It's a 1980 model, full-size truck . (It was a bit of a dog, but a turbo would have fixed that.)

What would be so wrong with a 4.5L turbodiesel pickup that got 21 in town, and 27 on the road? Wouldn't make the 600 ft-lbs or the 350 HP, but as long as it made 225 HP, and 350 ft-lbs, it would be a good driver.

But, the Big 3 doesn't build things like that. Shoot, there are Isuzu diesel cargo vans that are pushing 28 mpg in town, 30+ on the road. Shaped like a brick.

I'm avoiding the quality discussion... too subjective.
Might as well discuss politics, or religion. :)
 

jjorgensen52

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turbodig said:
I just got a new Popular Mechanics. There's a nice, glossy ad for a new Chevy truck.
In the fine print at the margin, the EPA estimate is 15 city, 19 highway. I don't consider that good, I guess.

On the other hand, we've got an old GMC 5.7 diesel pickup that got 20 in town, and 25 on the road. It's a 1980 model, full-size truck . (It was a bit of a dog, but a turbo would have fixed that.)

What would be so wrong with a 4.5L turbodiesel pickup that got 21 in town, and 27 on the road? Wouldn't make the 600 ft-lbs or the 350 HP, but as long as it made 225 HP, and 350 ft-lbs, it would be a good driver.

But, the Big 3 doesn't build things like that. Shoot, there are Isuzu diesel cargo vans that are pushing 28 mpg in town, 30+ on the road. Shaped like a brick.

I'm avoiding the quality discussion... too subjective.
Might as well discuss politics, or religion. :)


buy a colorado sport with the 5speed. 20 city, 26 highway, fun little trucks to drive
 

92 Ty 1173

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turbodig said:
I just got a new Popular Mechanics. There's a nice, glossy ad for a new Chevy truck.
In the fine print at the margin, the EPA estimate is 15 city, 19 highway. I don't consider that good, I guess.

On the other hand, we've got an old GMC 5.7 diesel pickup that got 20 in town, and 25 on the road. It's a 1980 model, full-size truck . (It was a bit of a dog, but a turbo would have fixed that.)

What would be so wrong with a 4.5L turbodiesel pickup that got 21 in town, and 27 on the road? Wouldn't make the 600 ft-lbs or the 350 HP, but as long as it made 225 HP, and 350 ft-lbs, it would be a good driver.

But, the Big 3 doesn't build things like that. Shoot, there are Isuzu diesel cargo vans that are pushing 28 mpg in town, 30+ on the road. Shaped like a brick.

I'm avoiding the quality discussion... too subjective.
Might as well discuss politics, or religion. :)

I agree with some of your comments. As hard as they try imports will never make a true "full-size" truck. IMO. 15 city/19 hgwy is for which engine? If it is the 5.3 it is making 300 hp, what kind of mileage do you expect. Besides GM is tackling that problem, alittle late as usual. Displacement-on-demand. 303 hp Impala and Monte with est. 27 mpg, not bad IMO. I read somewhere that they have a small diesel for the colorado/canyon in the works. It comes down to what you like, "different strokes for different folks." I can't wait to see what Pontiac has in store. There is a 4 door Holden that could possibly be the next Grand Prix. 4 door, 6 speed, 400hp LS2, rear wheel drive, may be the next family truckster. As far as the quality thing goes you right it's too subjective. They all have their problems.
 
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